I think some systems need to understand they can dissipate their tulpas and it's for the better, but that doesn't change the fact that we do personally see dissipation as death. We grieved for both of our dissipated headmates, and we grieved thinking Fernando was dissipating instead of integrating (he's part of Fhern now, it's complicated). It's no fun to grieve for your headmates and it's not ideal, but they matter that much to us so when they decide to leave it's over.
So they just vanish?
In general, a dissipated headmate is ignored. Most tulpas can actually be revived years later, but some claim the tulpa is gone for good. Most agree that to truly dissipate your tulpa requires forgetting their existence, which is really hard to do if not impossible.
In our system, dissipation means you say you don't want to be woken up ever again. This is different from stasis, where you can be woken up again a long time later. In the two cases our headmates dissipated, the idea of not wanting to exist seems to have weakened them, both of them were in bad shape before they decided to pass. However, this seemed more evident for Spirit, Jasper was struggling with his sense of self for awhile before he decided to self-dissipate. Spirit hung around to say goodbye for 3 weeks while Jasper dissipated himself within the hour or two of deciding(edited)
From my point of view, dissipated tulpa is a tulpa that want to be let go for a long time. Maybe after a few years they could come back. But in general, we let them go and don't wake them up.
But in general there are more options between being alive often and being dissipated, it's good to be aware of them. If it's enough for a tulpa to spend time with you once a few weeks, so be it, you don't have to force them to be active more as long as they are happy with their current level of activity. It doesn't have to be constant in a long run either.
All of our other headmates understand the reality that we can only give them time when we get the chance. It's pretty normal for any given headmate to get a little bit of time every few weeks.
Lately quite a few of our headmates are interested in integration. After seeing it in action, we collectively believe integration is a happier alternative to dissipation
Also, you don't have to deal with set times... You can just go with the flow and let tulpas be active when they want. It doesn't have to be regulated in any way.
anyone have any tips on getting a headmate to speak? he does speak, but it's at random points and I can't always hear or feel him. If I could communicate directly with him it'd make things easier for us
Hmm, I remember you guys saying you were a traumatic system and I'm assuming your communication with the others is clear.
Does your headmate have a form? Sometimes having a form you can see in the mind's eye can make it easier to focus on that headmate. Even if he doesn't use his words, he can also communicate with body language
it's kinda like the vocal thing, sometimes I see him sometimes I don't? it's probably just something I have to work on, cause he's been like this since day one
I'm also wondering if it's a distance thing- the closer you are to a headmate, the easier it is to focus on them. The feeling of distance can affect someone's voice
well, he is very quiet and soft spoken. I don't know if he's shy but even when he fronts he doesn't say anything. his whole deal is like, he's the quiet guy who doesn't think, feel, or say a lot at all.
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In 2020 when he formed our communication was at its best and over time he just faded into the background as we stopped communicating, so it might be distance
One of my halves actually did something similar- I held onto the belief I could only speak in brief sentences for a long time. However, to achieve this, I actively suppressed my own thoughts.
If it's tied to identity, it may help to point out he's more than just the quiet guy in the room. However, he may or may not be receptive to that. If he isn't, maybe he can communicate by writing things down or drawing things?
I don't think Odezenne feels stuck being the type of person he is, it's just what's most convenient to him. I want things to be easier for us though and I think he'll understand that
I don't know if I fully understand co-conscious because I think it's assumed tulpamancers have all of their headmates in a co-conscious state by default. I don't know what it's like to not be co-conscious and how that's different from co-conscious aside from speculation.
I'm assuming that it's related to dissociation and possibly inner worlds. As a result, you may have a headmate manifesting on a deeper layer and the separation is caused by a stream of consciousness. Given my current ideas on parallel processing, I believe it's possible for headmates to have their own pseudo-SOC and/or for a wonderland to have its own pseudo-SOC. Basically, either the headmate is self-sustaining and/or the wonderland is. I'm speculating to become co-conscious, you need to attach yourself to the same SOC (the front) or a pseudo-SOC (a wonderland or I guess in a headmates... head?)
A long kiss goodnight
I don't know if I fully understand co-conscious because I think it's assumed tulpamancers have all of their headmates in a co-conscious state by default. I don't know what it's like to not be co-conscious and how that's different from co-conscious aside from speculation.
I'm assuming that it's related to dissociation and possibly inner worlds. As a result, you may have a headmate manifesting on a deeper layer and the separation is caused by a stream of consciousness. Given my current ideas on parallel processing, I believe it's possible for headmates to have their own pseudo-SOC and/or for a wonderland to have its own pseudo-SOC. Basically, either the headmate is self-sustaining and/or the wonderland is. I'm speculating to become co-conscious, you need to attach yourself to the same SOC (the front) or a pseudo-SOC (a wonderland or I guess in a headmates... head?)
right, we assumed Odezenne is on a different layer than the rest of us. I just want to figure out how to bring him to the same layer as us, cause really the only way we can effectively communicate is when he's near the front
2:11 PM
I mean we're all co-con at default but with him it's just, very hard
I'm assuming headmates can move around, but maybe you don't know how?
If moving around layers is like switching (we have had weird stuff with both of us "switching into" the front), maybe using symbolism to enforce a bridge would help? Maybe it can be a portal, a physical bridge, etc.?
Hello I have a question. Can people in dreams be similar to tulpas? Like in how the mind imagines some sort of personality or something, and it does something that you experience like it's another person? I mean not just similar in outward appearance but in how they mechanistically are run by the brain.
Yes and no. You don't fully have the ability to use higher thought in dreams, at all. And all thoughtforms in dreams, including yourself, have this limitation.
10:15 PM
But of course it's the same thing, all thoughtforms are the same thing.
10:15 PM
Dreams are a visualization in a very specific dissociative trance state.
I have very vivid dreams and have had moments that felt extremely real, with people that felt real, but I don't consider them to be full on people. They never continue showing up. They're one-off NPCs, though sometimes I'll write them down for stories and to use in future daydreams.
Whether or not they show up is irrelevant to what they are. That only happens if you're making it happen. Dream characters can also be consistent if your mind is fixated upon them.
There are recurring patterns with dreams that are based seemingly on what your mind is focused on - those can be thematic or literally about the same thoughtform. I think it might be most common to have nightmares about a specific thoughtform more than anything. But for me personally I do have recurring characters who are thematically linked (and aren't nightmarish).(edited)
My daydreams tend to transfer into my dreams, which sometimes helps me become lucid. Or it actively makes it harder to, because it becomes easy for me to go "Yeah this is normal."
10:27 PM
I think the closest I ever got to tulpa stuff and dream stuff overlapping was me becoming lucid and trying to talk to Blanche, then the realization that I can't stay lucid if we keep talking.
10:28 PM
But, yeah, I find dreams and tulpas can overlap but overall they're separate. I guess you could build off of a dream character and make them a tulpa, with the dream(s) they were in being their memories/backstory.
I just thought. How much is content im consuming role in my young tulpa personality forming? Even if i read some meaningless shit alone - we still do live in one brain. Shouldn't i be consuming more thoughtful and high quality stuff and least for first month or two of her life? Maybe revisit some old classic stuff i know? I am already avoiding any extreme in any way content, but should i be more strict on that at least for now? Maybe even quit internet and only use books? Will i be able to do so i wonder. In the past, i was.
Oh sorry for that. Sometimes i am just worrying for no damn reason. Got carried away. Thanks for replies. Yeah, she is not a child. She is already best and nothing i do will change that.
Sora Faux
a tulpa will accept you for who you are, no need to pretend in front of her.
Related to the convo in #tulpa-questions:
In the opposite situation: Somebody who's REALLY enthused to make their first tulpa, and expects only good things, how bad can things go? Is it sort of a "faith will set you free" situation?
Josh
Related to the convo in #tulpa-questions:
In the opposite situation: Somebody who's REALLY enthused to make their first tulpa, and expects only good things, how bad can things go? Is it sort of a "faith will set you free" situation?
RIP me then lol. But really? Like, there's nothing to worry about if you're not worried? Like, one thing that comes to mind is sexual stuff. It's a very contentious topic, but suppose a tulpamancer has really sexual thoughts from the very beginning. If that tulpamancer isn't worried by that, is it kosher?
I am slightly nervous, but not in the "my life will become a horror story" kind of way. More like "I'm not positive I'm ready to not be alone anymore." But a question that might clarify a lot for me: Does it hurt a tulpa to be changed by its host? Like, if you switch voice or form or personality traits midway through development, is that bad for them? Do they take offense?
Gigil
Your tulpa can exist without you seeing it, right?
I just don't wanna be scared in the middle of the night because of a shade with eyes ○v○
Josh
I am slightly nervous, but not in the "my life will become a horror story" kind of way. More like "I'm not positive I'm ready to not be alone anymore." But a question that might clarify a lot for me: Does it hurt a tulpa to be changed by its host? Like, if you switch voice or form or personality traits midway through development, is that bad for them? Do they take offense?
That really depends on your tulpa. Sometimes, you do need to ask for a change on the parts you don’t want from them. It would be something your tulpa will agree or disagree on.
That really depends on your tulpa. Sometimes, you do need to ask for a change on the parts you don’t want from them. It would be something your tulpa will agree or disagree on.
What if they can't talk yet? I only started forcing three days ago. Is there like a distinct threshold where it starts to matter, or are you stuck with whatever decisions you make until your tulpa matures enough to accept changes?
Well, they’ll need more time on that, especially during the beginning. That’s why it’s necessary to do parroting first before it becomes second nature for them to talk.
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